Kokie šaunūs yra ištikimi VIEŠPATIES žmonės!Būti su jais man didžiausias malonumas. Ps 15 (16) - 3
Pradėjo Tomas M., lapkričio 08, 2013, 22:26:46
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Citata iš: Pilgrim lapkričio 08, 2013, 09:05:56Klausimas greičiausiai Tomuiapie Kolumbo riterius ... gaaal riteriais patapti jų planai plėsti į Lietuvą, o informacijos apie juos mažoka, pasitaisau suprantamom kalbom o Amerikoje jie veikia plačiai ...
CitataMy wife also persuaded me to join the Knights of Columbus. I was immediately put off by the initiation, because it seemed like a Catholic version of joining a secret society, which I thought Catholics were forbidden from doing. It also soon became apparent that the two priorities at the council I attended were keeping the bar open and fundraising. Catholic truth was a distant third or fourth on the list of priorities. When I discovered what the chaplain was doing in private, I was appalled. When many of the K of C leaders confirmed it, I was more appalled. The Knights kicked me out for "causing scandal", when many of them were in fact the ones enabling the scandal. I'd love to say I miss the K of C, but it was incredibly boring. The emptiness and hypocrisy of its national leadership should not surprise anyone. It doesn't surprise me at all.
CitataI encouraged my husband to join the K of C when he retired and supported him when he became Grand Knight. Now I'm encouraging him to quit. You can't keep your hands clean when you are in a group that adds sewage to its beer and dips its pretzels in poison. The K of C has the same problem as Catholic Relief Services, Catholic Charities, CCHD, and other national Catholic charities. It's chosen money over God.
CitataIn 2002, we became aware of a website belonging to a Knights of Columbus chapter in California. Their Webmaster went to some length to disparage Freemasonry using the old chestnuts including the Papal Encyclicals from 1738. It's too bad that there are bigots everywhere and that one person can so poison the well. Fortunately, such hatred does NOT appear on the national organization's website and there are many instances of Knights of Columbus members and Masons working together for the betterment of all mankind. In 2004, we noted that the intolerance and bigotry of Council #1271 of San Luis Obispo at their site formerly titled knightline.org was not only gone but the site's name was up for sale as well. Good riddance to that kind of pedantic hatred!Šaltinis: masonicinfo.com/KofC.htm
Citata1974 m. masonai savo pranešime džiaugiasi, kad jų santykiai su Kolumbo Riteriais ženkliai gerėja. Įdomu, kad naujasis (melagingas) ekumenizmas, kuris šiuo metu sėkmingai pasiglemžia katalikiškumo dvasią, pritaikomas net santykiuose su šėtono tarnais
Citata iš: Augustas lapkričio 09, 2013, 12:31:29... Tai, kas vyksta tarp Kolumbo riterių ir masonų, yra taip vadinamasis tarpreliginis dialogas, kuriuo siekiama abipusio supratimo tarp skirtingų religinių tikėjimų.
CitataCalled to accompany Pope John Paul II on his visits to Mexico in 1979, 1990, and 1993, Maciel was also appointed by the Pope to the Ordinary Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the Formation of Priests in Circumstances of the Present Day (1990). He was a member of the Interdicasterial Commission for a Just Distribution of Clergy (1991), the IV General Conference of Latin American Bishops (CELAM) (1992), the Ordinary Assembly of the Synod of Bishops on the Consecrated Life and Its Role in the Church and in the World (1994), the Synod of Bishops' Special Assembly for America (1997) and (since 1994) a permanent consultant to the Congregation for the Clergy. The golden anniversary of his priestly ordination was celebrated on 26 November 1994, with 57 Legionary priests ordained on the anniversary's eve. Maciel served as Chancellor of the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum, which is based in Rome. Maciel collaborated extensively with the pope, either in person or through members of his organization, the Legion of Christ. Pope John Paul II admired Maciel for strictly adhering to the magisterium and the vocations to the Legion of Christ. He received many donations from Mexico's richest. Maciel and the Legion gave the Vatican money, and some claim[who?] that for years, this kept the Church from acting over allegations of sex abuse by Maciel.Investigative journalist Jason Berry wrote in an April 2010 article in the National Catholic Reporter, "the charismatic" founder of the Legion of Christ "sent streams of money to Roman curia officials with a calculated end ... Maciel was buying support for his group and defence for himself, should his astounding secret life become known." Berry and his late colleague Gerald Renner wrote the 2004 book "Vows of Silence: The Abuse of Power in the Papacy of John Paul II", and the related TV documentary "Vows of Silence" on Father Maciel and the Legion of Christ. According to Berry, Maciel's key supporters, who provided him with a protective shield, included Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Vatican secretary of state from 1991 to 2006; Cardinal Eduardo Martínez, prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life; and Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz, the Polish secretary of late Pope John Paul II (1978-2005)....In 1997, a group of nine men went public with accusations that they had been abused by Maciel while studying under him in Spain and Rome in the 1940s and 1950s. They described how he would feign to have an illness in his groin and claim he had been given papal permission to receive help massaging out the pain. The group, which included respectable academics and former priests, lodged formal charges at the Vatican in 1998, but were told the following year that the case had been shelved by the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith (on orders from Pope John Paul II), then headed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict....In 2005 Maciel stepped down as head of the order and, a few days before John Paul II died, Cardinal Ratzinger announced his intention of removing "filth" from the Church; many believed he was referring specifically to Maciel. Shortly being succeed as general director, after an investigation had been re-opened by Cardinal Ratzinger, the Vatican requested that Maciel withdraw from his ministry in lieu of further investigation and prosecution. In May 2006, Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, disciplined him: the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith asked Maciel to live "a reserved life of penitence and prayer, relinquishing any form of public ministry"; a canonical trial was ruled out because of his advanced age and poor health.
Citata...The subject of my remarks today--"Our Relations with the Knights of Columbus"-- was assigned to me some months ago by Right Worshipful Brother Frank J. Krug, Deputy Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Indiana. Although his letter of invitation to me to accept the responsibility for presenting this subject to you contained no guidelines, the fact that the topic is being discussed during this mid-year meeting of the members of the Grand Lodge is significant.Significant in that it means to us that the former relationship that existed for many years --nearly a century--now is evolving into one that is new and different and exciting, and that the leadership of our Fraternity in Indiana considers that new relationship to be not only note-worthy, but important....Through the years since the Knights of Columbus was formed in New Haven, Connecticut (the International Headquarters is located there), its relationship with Freemasonry has paralleled the Roman Catholic Church's relationship with Freemasonry, for reasons that are obvious.Therein lies at least a part of the background against which we view the contrasting and refreshing changes that began recently to occur. And so, for the purposes of better understanding where we are now, and why the changing relationship between the Knights of Columbus and Freemasonry is something to talk about, let us consider the following facts on a purely historical basis and for no other purpose.The Roman Catholic Church many, many centuries ago patterned its form of Church government after the form of government of the Roman Empire. For nearly a thousand years before its first pronouncement against Freemasonry, the Church had disapproved of the various trades and professions and guilds that were organized outside the framework of the Roman Church. Such groups (and among them were the operative Masons) were organized for their own purposes and without control from the outside, but their members were members of the Roman Church.In April, 1738, Pope Clement XII issued a prohibition against Freemasonry. He placed on the document the customary seal composed of a blob of lead, called a "bulla," which explains the origin of the term "Bull," by which the prohibitions have been called. From 1738 until several years ago, the Roman Church prohibited its members from belonging to organizations considered by the Church to be secret societies or free associations. That prohibition extended to include a number of organizations, and specifically included Freemasonry. Indeed, there have been no less than eight Papal "Bulls" issued against Freemasonry, together with nine Papal Encyclicals on the same subject. The most recent "Bull" was proclaimed in 1884, two years after the founding of the Knights of Columbus in the United States. Four of the Encyclicals were issued during and after 1882, the most recent being in 1890. Those pronouncements from the seat of power in the Roman Church had a long-term influence over relationships between the Knights of Columbus and Freemasonry....Notwithstanding the events that I have just recalled for you from the pages of history, there are now, and there have been through the years, members of the Roman Church who have been raised to Freemasonry's Sublime Degree, both in Indiana and in other jurisdictions in this nation and around the world....In recent years, both in Indiana and in other parts of the nation, we have been pleased to see a relaxing of the Roman Church's restraint, and a ripening friendship between our Craft and the Knights of Columbus. Lodges have entertained Knights and their ladies; Knights and their ladies have reciprocated, and in many instances have been the ones to make the first gesture of friendship. The resulting gatherings have been aimed toward having pleasant associations socially, concentrating on the similarities between the two organizations, forgetting about matters on which we do not agree.And there are indeed many similarities: in our system of three degrees; in our efforts to help, aid, and assist our less fortunate members; in our aims to improve the community through the improvement of the individual member; in our active sponsorship of well-rounded and wholesome activities for the youth who come under the sphere of our influence. All those things are points of agreement on which we place emphasis during our social gatherings with our K. of C. friends. ...Several times each year, officers and leaders of our Grand Lodge meet together with leaders and representatives of the Indiana State Council of the Knights of Columbus, for an evening of social fellowship, and to explore new avenues of cooperation in our mutual interests and pursuits. As a token of friendship, each organization has contributed modestly to the other's foremost charity, they to our Indiana Masonic Home at Franklin, and we to their Gibault Home for Boys near Terre Haute. ...Across the length and breadth of our state, and at many intermediate points in between, Lodges and Councils have extended to each other the arm of friendship in many ways. Hopefully, this new friendship and relationship will grow deeper and more meaningful to all of us in the months and years to come.Let it be said emphatically that our joint meetings contain no effort or attempt, overt or otherwise, to solicit members or to have any joint venture but those of purely social intent, whereby we become better acquainted with each other's philosophies and views, aims, and purposes.And so I am pleased to report to you that the status of our relations with the Knights of Columbus is good. Notwithstanding the events of history, there is no reason for our relationship to be other than good, or less than good. If you and your Lodge have not experienced the pleasure that comes from making new friends in your community, then perhaps you will want to give that ecumenical spirit a try, provided the members of your respective Lodges will give you their unqualified and enthusiastic support. I caution you that the support of your Lodge is important. If, after discreet exploration you find that kind of support, extend the invitation for a friendly relationship, or respond favorably to an invitation if it is extended to you and your Lodge. ...I want to leave with you these thoughts about the refreshing but gentle ecumenical breezes that move about us today. One thought is about the value of our Craft's firm stand not to become embroiled in controversy. You will recall an admonition in our ceremonies, "Neither are you to suffer your zeal for the Institution to lead you into argument with those who may ridicule it." The blows of many sledge hammers have beat upon the anvil of Freemasonry in the centuries that have gone. The anvil is unharmed. The hammers have worn. Our ancient charges, like gold, have withstood the acid of time.I believe too that the new friendship that we find among our brethren of the Knights of Columbus is a culmination or fruition of Freemasonry's firm and time-tested belief in the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man--the brotherhood of ALL men. Šaltinis: themasonictrowel.com/masonic_talk/stb/stbs/74-03.htm
Citata iš: Tomas M. lapkričio 09, 2013, 16:25:51Augustai, žodį "ekumeninis" naudoja patys masonai savo pranešime. Šių dienų ekumenizmas yra labai sudėtinga tema, todėl čia neverta pradėti diskusijos, geriau užvesti naują temą.
CitataI want to leave with you these thoughts about the refreshing but gentle ecumenical breezes that move about us today.
CitataCitata iš: Augustas lapkričio 09, 2013, 12:31:29... Tai, kas vyksta tarp Kolumbo riterių ir masonų, yra taip vadinamasis tarpreliginis dialogas, kuriuo siekiama abipusio supratimo tarp skirtingų religinių tikėjimų.O aš galvojau, ko gi mums daugiau trūksta, o gi tarpreliginio dialogo su šėtono garbintojais
CitataArgi gali tai pakenkti? Jie pasikviečia mus į savo ištaigingus poilsio klubus, prabangoje pavaišina vynu ir skanėstais. Kol pasipuošusios mūsų moterys bendrai šnekučiuojasi apie gražų orą, mes, vyrai, kartu pakalbame, kaip galėtume padaryti kažką "gero" žmonijai, atidarome bendrą labdaros fondą, kuris padės vargšams... po to bandome surasti sąlyčio taškus ir netikėtai suprantame, kad mes turime daugiau bendrų dalykų, negu skirtingų... mes juk iš tiesų siekiame to paties - "padėti" žmonėms... tiesiog saldu... iki apsivėmimo
Citata iš: Augustas lapkričio 10, 2013, 08:10:09Ir kas čia blogo tame, kad randame daugiau bendrų sąlyčio taškų, nei mums iki šiolei atrodė, jog tų bendrų sąlyčio taškų turime? Suprotestantėjai, begyvendamas JAV (kuri vis tik yra protestantiškas kraštas), ir pamiršai, jog RKB turi tradicinę prigimtinės moralės doktriną, kuri sako, jog bent jau kai kurios moralinės normos yra žmogui įgimtos ir todėl bendros visiems žmonėms, nepriklausomai nuo to, kur tie žmonės begyventų ir kokios pasaulėžiūros jie bebūtų?
Citata iš: Tomas M. lapkričio 10, 2013, 21:46:05Citata iš: Augustas lapkričio 10, 2013, 08:10:09Ir kas čia blogo tame, kad randame daugiau bendrų sąlyčio taškų, nei mums iki šiolei atrodė, jog tų bendrų sąlyčio taškų turime? Suprotestantėjai, begyvendamas JAV (kuri vis tik yra protestantiškas kraštas), ir pamiršai, jog RKB turi tradicinę prigimtinės moralės doktriną, kuri sako, jog bent jau kai kurios moralinės normos yra žmogui įgimtos ir todėl bendros visiems žmonėms, nepriklausomai nuo to, kur tie žmonės begyventų ir kokios pasaulėžiūros jie bebūtų? Aš nekalbėjau apie moralę, bet apie patį "bendradarbiavimo" faktą. Ar Jėzus bendradarbiavo su demonais vardan žmonijos "gėrio"? Juk tiek daug duonos būtų buvę iš akmenų prigaminta...
CitataTavo supratimas įtakojamas to, kad masonus skaitai dar viena religija/judėjimu. Tačiau taip nėra. Kai įvardini daiktus tikrais vardais ir žinai, kad masonai yra tikri šėtono tarnai, tuomet labai aišku pasidaro, kad apie jokį dialogą negali būti net kalbos.
CitataNes tuomet Vatikanas turėtų užvesti dialogą ir su satanistais, raganomis, kitais okultiniais judėjimais. Masonai juk iš esmės yra tie patys satanistai, tik neafišuoja to fakto viešai, vykdo labdaringą veiklą ir kitais "gerais" darbais pudrina visuomenės smegenis. "Gerais" rašau su kabutėmis, nes bet koks "geras" darbas, padarytas su giliais blogais ketinimais, nėra geras prieš Dievą.
CitataLabiau paskaičius, susidaro aiškus įspūdis, kad tas tarpreliginis, kaip jie vadina - interfaith dialogas vyksta ne iš katalikų pusės, siekiant atversti masonus, bet atvirkščiai - masonai eina per "fronto" liniją "atvertinėti" panašių organizacijų, kad sugundyti pinigų, valdžios ir kitų pasaulio "vertybių", jie taptų ne Dievo, bet velnio pasekėjais. Tai puikiai iliustruoja esama situacija, kur Kolumbo Riteriai stengiasi nesigirti jų santykiais su masonais, tuo tarpu masonų straipsniai tiesiog trykšta džiaugsmu, neva kaip čia gerai, kad su "broliais" Kolumbo Riteriais susidraugavome. Masonai turi daug ką pasiūlyti, nes jie valdo visus įmanomus pasaulio malonumus ir turtus, ir jie gerai žino, kad tai yra efektyvi priemonė palaužti silpną žmogaus dvasią.
CitataKas susidūręs su blogiu, tas žino, kad jokių draugysčių ar dialogų su blogiu ir nuodėme negali būti, kitaip krisi auka.
Citata iš: Tomas M. lapkričio 11, 2013, 16:40:11Dėl išminties tu teisus, tačiau faktas, kad blogio intelektas yra begalybę kartų didesnis už mūsų.
CitataO tarpreliginis dialogas su velniu nėra pasivaikščiojimas po gėlėtą pievelę, iš tiesų tai kas vyksta, galima realiai pavaizduoti taip:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW9Q1cm_TnwIr tokiame "dialoge" tie žūstantys yra tikintieji... kas labai gerai atsiskleidžia tiek milijonus narių turinčios Kolumbo Riterių organizacijos, tiek kenčiančios Bažnyčios asmenyje.